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Leadership in Black and White

Biblical Wisdom

New and seasoned leaders still need wise leaders, encouragement, affirmation, and support. John and Wayne are two brothers I know Jesus also led me to for those things. I am very thankful and appreciate the time and biblical wisdom these men dedicate to any listener. God bless!

Such a great podcast

WowI love how this podcast covers a WIDE scope of leadership. Wisdom fromA diverse perspective

Brilliant Leaders! Brilliant Content!

I have listened to every podcast so far and love the relationship between Pastor Wayne and Pastor John! These two are brilliant and Cove the hard stuff with such class and grace! Thank you for your time in investing in changed lives!

Being restored

I NEEDED THIS!Thank you!


Very insightful, motivating and encouraging. Being able to talk about subjects that most people are uncomfortable to realize exist, is something that's needed for true healing to occur.

Leadership in Black and White

Leadership in Black & White is sponsored in part by Trinity Debt Management.  Call 1 800 793-8752 to talk with a counselor today.  Leadership in Black and White is a weekly podcast hosted by John Siebeling and Wayne Francis. John and Wayne talk to leaders about how to lead in the gray areas of life as well as discuss topics like church, race, current events, and more.